Good value second hand cars - COVID times, Falcon/Commodore tax

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by OneMadMan

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One owner minter grand pa spec AU Fairlane Ghia $7,000 174 kays. Looks good if your chasing one. Be Awesome if it had the 'big block' five oh...
---Cheers,--One Man

That's a LOT of car for $7000!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by OneMadMan

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One owner minter grand pa spec AU Fairlane Ghia $7,000 174 kays. Looks good if your chasing one. Be Awesome if it had the 'big block' five oh...
---Cheers,--One Man

Before I bought my Caprice I was looking for an AUII Fairlane Ghia or LTD, but 5L Wheezer,

Day after I bought my Caprice, customer comes into my workshop with an AUII LTD 5L that needed an alternator, and he wanted to get rid of the car

[randel]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Still, how many Forte's drove off the line with the V8.

I had an AUII with v8 looked very similar. Although not Herrod “Enhanced”

Mine was an ex Cop car - was a bloody good car!

[OneMadMan]

TC Cortina.. seems like a good thing.. 302 crate Whinger, C4 etc.. $52K Arks sing (not a typo)

https://www.facebook.com/share/Msb4MVicf79TZ8Q3/

Bet it does good skids... Like my last 302 4 speed TC XLE...

Cheers,

One Man

[smoo]

$50k for a Cortina, gtfoh.

BF wagon showing what they’re capable of.

[OneMadMan]

$50k for a Cortina, gtfoh. BF wagon showing what they’re capable of.

Yeah does seem a bit steep.. but..
I have built a couple of these back in the early 90's.
When you consider the parts build price alone, it's pretty dam reasonable.
Plus as a bonus, it's legal, where as back in the day I didn't bother. To much money as hassle.
If your old, like me, and a fan of the TC's this is a wet dream.
Yeah yeah, I know, it's FPV money for sure, but how many Cortinas do you see at every other set of traffic lights?

My guess ta mate on the parts cost break down of the Cortina would look like something like this:
Engine $4 - 6K
Exhaust system / extractors etc $5k
Trans $2 - 4K
Suspension bushes sway bars shocks etc $5k
Brakes / brake lines $4k - $5k
Diff $2k - $3k
Tailshaft $500 - $1200
Paint $5k - 10k depending on who did it..
Engineering maybe 5k.

Around 63k at my guess. And that's being conservative. With no labour charges, parts only.

The Cortina itself, being pretty original as far as door trims, instrument switches, centre console, door trims, grille, chrome trim, brake light lenses etc you'd be paying around 20k+ for just a stock 250 T-bar in that condition.
I would like to know:
Does it have big valve alloy heads?
Electronic dizzy?
Does it have an XLE Tacho dash with the 130MPH speedo, and a re-calibrated tacho to suit the V8, as that's what I did to mine.. to keep the stock original theme.
Does it have a LSD?

I was thinking about my last one.. and I now know where I went wrong.. IE with the handling. I put a 9 inch LSD in it. Big mistake weight wise.
It handled far better with a 250 and Borg Warner rear end, compared to a 302 (cast iron heads) and 9 inch LSD with 38mm axles from memory. Sourced out of an F100.

Just sayin..

Cheers,

One Man

[smoo]

https://www.facebook.com/share/SKmYV...ibextid=79PoIi

[OneMadMan]

Originally Posted by smoo

https://www.facebook.com/share/SKmYV...ibextid=79PoIi

Stunning. I reckon the Birdwood museum might be interested in that gem.

Wonder why he's selling? I couldn't.

Absolute Minter in my favorite E series model. Love the orange needle dash and the yellow tail lights lenses in that series.. Would have been nice to see some interior pics, even if it was just for future reference.



Cheers,

One Mad Man

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smoo

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$42K for some piece of shit with a boat anchor wheezer that wouldn't have any go

I reckon the wheezer would struggle against a 3.5L V6 Magna/380

[Citroënbender]

Hey smoo do you want my white 850 wagon with the Brocksport decals? I’ve got to shift it from Ganmain pretty soon.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by smoo

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Probably not worth the asking, but looks bloody tidy thats for sure.
They look awesome with the full Tickford kit also.

slow Windsor, its almost 25 years old.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Probably not worth the asking, but looks bloody tidy thats for sure.
They look awesome with the full Tickford kit also.

slow Windsor, its almost 25 years old.

Yeah, it was a boat anchor 25 years ago too, makes ~11KW more than the EL XR6 for an extra 1000cc and 2 cylinders?

I don't think Ford Australia managed to source a decent V8 from Cleveland ending in Falcon from 1982 to 2011 or whenever it was that FGII scored Miami

Wheezer - boat anchor (vs Tickford 6 excl T3 and LS1)
5.4L 4V - boat anchor (vs XR6T and LS1/LS2/LS3/L76/L98)

Add in the mighty BTR and it's 1st gear, be lucky to keep away from a 22RE Hilux

[OneMadMan]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

$42K for some piece of shit with a boat anchor wheezer that wouldn't have any go I reckon the wheezer would struggle against a 3.5L V6 Magna/380

and a TRD.. But c'mon maaaate, it's old, it's a classic, (like me) be hard to find one that's NOT in a museum, in that nick. They sound awesome I reckon, that's why I still love the NA/NC Fairlaine Ghia's. That sound.

But yeah, it is what it is, old, slow but still noice maaate.


Cheers,

One Mad Man

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

$42K for some piece of shit with a boat anchor wheezer that wouldn't have any go

I reckon the wheezer would struggle against a 3.5L V6 Magna/380

I find that offensive.
But it more bang for buck than this thing.

https://www.facebook.com/share/NhVJB...ibextid=79PoIi

I was going through some old Motor magazines the other day, they had some performance shootout and the VS Calais supercharged is faster than EL GT and VS Clubsport 5.0.

Calais 0-100 and 1/4 mile 6.64 and 14.66
EL XR6 7.55 and 15.26
VS SS 6.9 and 14.96
EL GT 6.86 and 14.98
VS Clubsport auto 7.1 and 15.1.

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Hey smoo do you want my white 850 wagon with the Brocksport decals? I’ve got to shift it from Ganmain pretty soon.

What are the details CB? Is that turbo or base model with a sticker pack?
Realistically not, interstate logistics and I’ve got no room. Need to sell X5, buying another motorbike which will take up garage space, and I already have one shit box in the drive lowering the standard of the street.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by OneMadMan

and a TRD.. But c'mon maaaate, it's old, it's a classic, (like me) be hard to find one that's NOT in a museum, in that nick. They sound awesome I reckon, that's why I still love the NA/NC Fairlaine Ghia's. That sound.

But yeah, it is what it is, old, slow but still noice maaate.


Cheers,

One Mad Man

Agreed, not many falcons/commodores we very quick then. (quick enough for the time).
But that EL is a nice car (was when new also imo), it'd be a nice thing to get out on the weekend and roll around in. Fit some loud pipes to it and jobs a gooden IMO.
Tickford appeal also.

Finding good examples is only going to get harder.

[roKWiz]

It maybe old and what you consider slow but I'll stick with the $1100 panel van thanks.

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

$42K for some piece of shit with a boat anchor wheezer that wouldn't have any go

I reckon the wheezer would struggle against a 3.5L V6 Magna/380

Who cares, no one is buying AUS cars from the 80’s and 90’s cause they’re fast. Maybe because I was a young fella when these were new but EL XR’s are peak 90’s Falcon. The old windsors sound incredible with the right exhaust set up and in manual yes please. I wouldn’t pay that money but it’s a cool car in its own right.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by FlipXW

Who cares, no one is buying AUS cars from the 80’s and 90’s cause they’re fast. Maybe because I was a young fella when these were new but EL XR’s are peak 90’s Falcon. The old windsors sound incredible with the right exhaust set up and in manual yes please. I wouldn’t pay that money but it’s a cool car in its own right.

Couldnt have said it better myself. This is why folks buy them. Buyers dont care if they are slow.
Tickford XR
V8.
Ticks a lot of boxes.

But seems some will slag them off and not appreciate what they are because its slow.

[OneMadMan]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Finding good examples is only going to get harder.

Yeah, like finding a 5 legged sheep that has a pulse kinda rare.

Just a good thing, did the job, made you feel like you were Da Man when driving one when they were new. So nothing to talk about here.

In relation to Smoos comments on quarter mile times etc:

Calais 0-100 and 1/4 mile 6.64 and 14.66 EL XR6 7.55 and 15.26VS SS 6.9 and 14.96EL GT 6.86 and 14.98VS Clubsport auto 7.1 and 15.1.

In 1992 I was driving a 74 TC XLE that I modified by building and fitting a 302 'whinger', top loader 4 cogger, and a 2.75 ratio 9 inch LSD (I like top end) that ran 13.3 @ 99.99mph in 1993. Used to love spanking the 5.0 litre commies and Falcs. back in the day.

They genuinely seemed fast when you drove one (EL XR, VS Clubbie etc) as there was nothing newer, that 'we made' to compare them to, unless your talking BIG DOLLAR type stuff.

Still nice things, still sound great, still have a classic look about them.
Not much to not like really.

Think Francos' stirring the pot a bit here.

OnYa Maaaate.


Cheers,
One Mad Man

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FlipXW

Who cares, no one is buying AUS cars from the 80’s and 90’s cause they’re fast. Maybe because I was a young fella when these were new but EL XR’s are peak 90’s Falcon. The old windsors sound incredible with the right exhaust set up and in manual yes please. I wouldn’t pay that money but it’s a cool car in its own right.

Excellent work, thanks for proving my point.

I've owned two EFs and an EL as well just quietly, aside from the Tickford 6, they've got absolutely nothing on Holden's offerings of the 1990s, which have things like IRS on upper spec models.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Excellent work, thanks for proving my point.

Way to go missing the point about the car yet again.
You are one of those that will never appreciate cars like these for what they are.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Way to go missing the point about the car yet again.
You are one of those that will never appreciate cars like these for what they are.

Yep, thats the benefit of not having blue tinted glasses,

A small four door sedan, with a V8 with the worlds worst cylinder heads, paired with a gearbox with ratios so long that'll go pull 100km/h in 1st gear or a manual gearbox that will let go the moment you even think about abusing it,

The main talking point here has been what it sounds like with an exhaust (yep, like every other OHV engine with 8 cylinders), and yet everyone here trying to come to its defence doesn't seem to want to spend the $42,000 list price for it?

Tell me, what is the title of the thread?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yep, thats the benefit of not having blue tinted glasses,

A small four door sedan, with a V8 with the worlds worst cylinder heads, paired with a gearbox with ratios so long that'll go pull 100km/h in 1st gear or a manual gearbox that will let go the moment you even think about abusing it,

The main talking point here has been what it sounds like with an exhaust (yep, like every other OHV engine with 8 cylinders), and yet everyone here trying to come to its defence doesn't seem to want to spend the $42,000 list price for it?

Tell me, what is the title of the thread?

Im well aware of the thread title.
It was posted.
Open for debate.
Cars like this, and many others posted in here probably dont fit the 'value' part as they'd be purchased with via heart not the head.
I said it wasnt worth the asking if you bothered to read.
But i can appreciate it for what it is.
Again, its a 20+ year old AU made car and you still are totally missing the point


But heaven forbid someone disagree with your opinion. Nor do i have blue tinted glasses.

[Falcon SXR8]

EL XR's are mint as, a 185 with the full body kit and manual, mate just put it in my shed now. I'm happy with my blue tinted glasses

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I reckon the wheezer would struggle against a 3.5L V6 Magna/380

Stuff you make a good point, who wouldn't take one of these over an el xr8

[OneMadMan]

Just sayin..

I laughed when I read the "blue tinted glasses" comment.. love this place, always good for a chuckle...

Anyway, I wanted to say that I am NOT loyal to any one brand / manufacturer. If it's good, I love it.

I took a $220k BMW V-10 M6 for a test flog back in 2006-2007 i think it was.. and man, this thing was nuts in almost every aspect... performance, brakes, handling, gadgets, looks.
The best part was the sticker on the upper right hand side of the windscreen that said: Actung! Warning! Do not exceed 8000rpm or 180kmp/h for the 1st 3000kms. Gold....

As you know I'm a GR Yaris fan.

I also love the A32 Nissan Maximas.

N13 Pulsars are also gold.. along with the N12 ET Turbos. (shame they don't handle tho)

NA/NC Fairlane V8 Ghias, pure luxury, like taking your lounge chair for a flog.

I owned a 2003 CV8 II Twin Turb Monaro 6 speed Man well making 556 RWKW's.

3 Yamaha R1's: 1999, 2000 and lastly a 2001 (don't like fuel injected bikes power delivery, to linear and boring -for me-)

So the point I AM TRYING TO MAKE is: I don't have glasses that are tinted in anyway. If it's good, I will shout about it.

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Excellent work, thanks for proving my point.

I've owned two EFs and an EL as well just quietly, aside from the Tickford 6, they've got absolutely nothing on Holden's offerings of the 1990s, which have things like IRS on upper spec models.

what do you mean proving your point. I think 42k is too much for what it is right now but the rest of what you said holds no weight in the argument of what makes it worth the money. I and basically anybody else who would buy something from that era probably don’t care how fast it is, you buy something like this because of an emotional connection to the cars of the time. Not a rocket but would be a very enjoyable weekend cruiser, looks and sounds spot on.
People who bought these also didn’t care that the Holden offerings were (marginally) quicker in the 90’s, I’m sure they care even less now

[pottery beige]

mid to low $20k would be a lot of car for the moneys - sucks not manual

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...%2F15bxgqZ95B#

clubsports in this $$$ bracket are munted/rooted/molested/

sunroof car, p off the stripes and roll it

can you high stally these and chuck gears in them??

[OneMadMan]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Stuff you make a good point, who wouldn't take one of these over an el xr8 image

Me. I'll give you one reason why...

https://youtu.be/fEVMgRaOHgk







Cheers,

One Mad Man

[HIPO]

Looks way better than the opposition though........ i'd pay $20k for a perfect one..........not much needed to get it moving.