EL2 Hybrid questions

[[Tonko]]

Just a question regarding my EL ghia,
At what point did ford put in the EL/AU hybrid motors?
Mine is a July 1998 build...
What month did they stop production of the EL?
And finally...
What were the exact changes regarding the freak motor?

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

Just a question regarding my EL ghia,
At what point did ford put in the EL/AU hybrid motors?
Mine is a July 1998 build...
What month did they stop production of the EL?
And finally...
What were the exact changes regarding the freak motor?

TonkoXR8 that will be the hybrid

my 98 el was built the same month as yours

as far as i can tell they only come with the au head

it runs all the e-series ecu and all the other gear

hope this helps

jason

[BIG XR]

the au motor has a different head and crank. its got slightly smaller valves and a better balanced crank shaft. not really much different at all. but this was only on the very last of the el series. maybe yours, who knows.

[Christiaan]

they're not a freak motor. Ford probably just ran out of e-series heads and started casting the new au heads/rods/crank etc and thought they may as well use em in the late EL's.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by shuresm58

they're not a freak motor. Ford probably just ran out of e-series heads and started casting the new au heads/rods/crank etc and thought they may as well use em in the late EL's.

so what you are saying is that we might have a few more bits added into the question here

jason

[BIG XR]

not really. but the au bottom end is much better for turbo applications seeing as how its balanced better. helps to rev easier.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by BIG XR

not really. but the au bottom end is much better for turbo applications seeing as how its balanced better. helps to rev easier.

so if you can prove the fact do i have a full au eng with e-series ecu and the likes

[smally289]

I copied this direct from the very first edition of Fords 'Service Insight', which was distributed to all Ford Registered Technicians during 1998.

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4.0L Engine Revision

As of January 1998, EL Falcon will be fitted with a revised I6 engine. The revision will be completely transparent as far as the Customer is concerned (no change to engine appearance, power output fuel economy, service requirements, etc). It will also be transparent to you as far as basic engine maintenance and diagnostic procedures are concerned.

However, where internal engine repairs are to be performed, it is important that the Technician realises the difference and is aware of the unique engine re-assembly procedures and specifications.

Interchangeability of parts between the old and the new level engines is not possible except where replacement part numbers are unchanged. Do not attempt to fit new level parts to the new engine, or vice versa.


Vehicle Identification
There will be a period during January 1998 when both the old and the new level engines will be used at the Assembly plant. Thus the vehicle build date may not necessarily identify the level of engine fitted to the vehicle.

Old level engines can be identified by a 95DA of 95DT casting on the cylinder head and a 96DA casting on the engine block.

New level engines can be identified by a 96DA or 96DT casting on the cylinder head and a VR2A casting on the engine block.


Note: Approximately 1,600 of these new engines will have the old level head and valvetrain fitted. The same idetification method may be used to individually identify new/old level heads.


Generally speaking, the engine dissassembly/assembly procedures are unchanged. The main difference is the size and shape of various internal components. It is important that only new level components are used as replacement parts as in many cases the old level parts will not fit or will lead to the failure of other components.

With respect to major engine repairs, the main points that you will need to keep in mind are:
-revised hardware tightening torque specifications (some components are now 'torque to yield').
-revised bolt tightening sequences.
-revised camshaft-to-crankshaft timing procedure.


Lash Adjuster Removal
The procedure for lash adjuster removal is unchanged. However the retaining ring has been deleted so that the piston may separate from the main body during removal if care is not taken. It is still recommended that the lash adjuster not be dismantled.


Parts Information
The following list identifies the upgraded parts used in the Falcon I6 engine

-Engine Block (identified by VR2A casting instead of 96DA)
-Crankshaft
-Crankshaft Sprocket
-Idler Sprocket
-Idler Sprocker Bolt (black finish)
-Timing Chain
-Crankshaft Main Bearing Caps
-Main Bearings
-Con Rod Nuts & Bolts (WR2A stamped on bolt) - torque to yield
-Flywheel Bolts (auto trans only)
-Cylinder Head (identified by 96DA or 96DT casting insted of 94DA or 95DT)
-Camshaft
-Camshaft Sprocket
-Camshaft Sprocket Bolt (black finish)
-Inlet and Exhaust Valves, Guides, Springs and Stem Seals
-Rocker Arms and Washers
-Rocker Shafts and Supports

Torque To Yield. Components MUST be discarded and replaced if removed or loosened.

Specifications.
-Con Rod Nuts : 25Nm, then rotate an additional 90 degrees.
-Camshaft & Idler Sprocket Bolts : 20Nm, then rotate an additional 40 degrees.

Camshaft-to-Crankshaft Timing Procedure

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Sorry bout the long post (it took some typing!)

[Christiaan]

i knew it. I asked here once whether a 96DA was a hybrid, and everyone said no. They are a hybrid engine. As per this thread: http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...2&page=1&pp=25

Thanks very much for the info there, very well done!

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by smally351

Sorry bout the long post (it took some typing!)

Was a very good read, thanks alot for that!
Yagz, what i meant about freak, not faster, like every second commodore apparently has, i meant as in harder to source parts for etc....
But it is a funny one, 250,000k's on its original head gasket... thats freaky...

[Jason[98.EL]]

thanks for that info smally351

is there a chance you could give us a link to the info

jason

[Stevo]

i think he typed it out ????

[smally289]

Yep, typed out. Would have scanned it, but the pages have pictures as a background.

[mcflux]

So... in Tonko's case EL Ghias have the AU XR6HP motor then?

[Christiaan]

if his head says 96DT, Yes.

[mcflux]

Righto, thanks Yaggy

[blur1]

dont the hybrids have a non painted rocker cover? i know mine does..... dunno if the non hybrids are painted or not??

[ernie21]

I've got a hybrid EL and its got 96DA on it and it has a painted rocker cover. I think some got painted and some didn't.

[Jason[98.EL]]

so my head has 96DA-609 stamped on the head

so what do i have

jason

[Christiaan]

Originally Posted by heljas

so my head has 96DA-609 stamped on the head

so what do i have

jason

New level engines can be identified by a 96DA or 96DT casting on the cylinder head and a VR2A casting on the engine block.