BTR 4 speed Auto .. things that can be done

[kyro_02]

hmm... my bro just converted from 4 speed auto to 5 speed manual in his EL xr6... now i've got his BTR 4 speed auto....

what can i get done to it... maybe strangthen it ? can i get stronger 'bands' ?

mm shiftkit would set me back .. but wouldn't it be minus $400(generally?) labour if i just hand the box in.. cause other then pulling the box apart there isn't much labour.. compared to pulling it out of a car and putting it back in...

and get a 2500rpm stallie converter(yes, i know.. i know.. all depends on where your power is.. or torque or whatever...) .. but 2500rpm stallie is what _I_ want ;)

any other ideas?

phanks

[tickford_ghia]

Depeds on what you want from the box mate.
I have a stage 2 shift kit in mine that only cost me $250 installed
but have since decided that im going to get the box heavily strengthed as i have future plans for the car.
Kewish automatics in dandenong will build my box capable of 240rwkw for $1600 im going to get it done in a few months.
Also i believe they can do a valve body mod for these autos for $550 which i thinik rates the auto to about 150rwkw??

Jarrod

[kyro_02]

i want the box to be stronge.. mainly... so i won't have any problems with a shiftkit being harsh on the gear box, 'n a stallie

are you able to tell me what's with the 'stage 2' .. like what's it mean.. does it mean it's harsh when changing or what?

[EFFalcon]

the box stock can handle 150rwkw, the price however for the 240rwkw build isnt too bad.
deffinately nice for something in the middle budget.

[kyro_02]

yeah even though i'm not gonna pull enough power to break anything... i'm always wanting to have a strong component.

[EFFalcon]

don't worry, i would too

[niko]

low kays to...lol

116k if i remember correctly?

[kyro_02]

i think it's 116k's :P

was 109k when he got it

[Walkinshaw]

$2400 should get you a good box with stall that should hold up to a fair whack of punishment.

[kyro_02]

as much as i'd love to save $2400 .. not practical at the moment cause the money seem's to dissappear(petrol) :P... that's why i want to do it in 'stages' , so maybe the stallie first.. or w/ever

this i want to be a short to mid term 'project' .. as my auto has slipped a few times when i go to boot it.. so this is something I want to do definately... an get the g/box strong and with the 'goodies' in it :P

[-jjM-]

mean time, stallie and shift kit, the build up at dandenong sounds like prity good price, rich but depends how much you want out of you auto

[mcflux]

hmmmm...

I wonder whether they have a 300rwkw option? :

[tickford_ghia]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

i want the box to be stronge.. mainly... so i won't have any problems with a shiftkit being harsh on the gear box, 'n a stallie

are you able to tell me what's with the 'stage 2' .. like what's it mean.. does it mean it's harsh when changing or what?

stage 2 shift kit is a really firm shift.
Enough to chirp the wheels when it changes into second and make things very interesting in the wet.
Its a way of prolonging your auto a while as there is less time taken for change which means less heat (which is what kills autos)

[tickford_ghia]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

hmmmm...

I wonder whether they have a 300rwkw option? :

the next stage i believe is the 320rwkw which costs about $2600.
I forgot to mention also when they do the $1600 auto build they lift the stall by about 2-300 hundered.

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by tickford_ghia

the next stage i believe is the 320rwkw which costs about $2600.
I forgot to mention also when they do the $1600 auto build they lift the stall by about 2-300 hundered.

ah hell yeah..... see how my trans like the 347 before deciding but thats a great price

[brenx]

Bert Kewish build quite a good auto. Although I absolutely hate C4's now. Too many $ for very little return IMO. Dave @ Bert Kewish built up a C4 for my XB. It was the longest time frame a C4 had stayed in the car. Just a tad over 5000k's @ nothing less than 280rwkw. We played with the tune, peak was 306rwkw. Dave said himself that with the power level the XB had a C4 wasn't a wise option.

I highly recommend Dave. He's a no BS kind of guy. Don't use him if you don't like being told reality. He tells how it is.

[edit]Dave also built a box for my brother inlaws Gen 3 VY SS. It was nothing short of awesome. The car had around 260-280rwkw.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by tickford_ghia

the next stage i believe is the 320rwkw which costs about $2600.
I forgot to mention also when they do the $1600 auto build they lift the stall by about 2-300 hundered.

Another place for Ghia5L to visit when crossing off items on the "to do" list :

[EB Pete]

i have just got my btr rebuilt with the clearances reduced, valve body opened up, new bands, all the little plastic pieces of crap removed and a 2500rpm stall done. and i have to say if i had my time again i wouldn't hesitate to go to a manual. so if you want you can by mine off me.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by EB Pete

i have just got my btr rebuilt with the clearances reduced, valve body opened up, new bands, all the little plastic pieces of crap removed and a 2500rpm stall done. and i have to say if i had my time again i wouldn't hesitate to go to a manual. so if you want you can by mine off me.

I was waiting for someone to post that!

Reading through i thought, stuff spending $2k+ when i could get a 5sp for half of that!

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I was waiting for someone to post that!

Reading through i thought, stuff spending $2k+ when i could get a 5sp for half of that!

not really...try finding a 5 speed that'll handle 300rwkw.........for your 2k+

[EB Pete]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I was waiting for someone to post that!

Reading through i thought, stuff spending $2k+ when i could get a 5sp for half of that!

way to rub it in! i suppose it's a good way to loose 2 grand.

i no this might sound strage or absolutly stupid but the only reason i stayed with the auto was cause my engine got balanced with the drive plate (don't know if it would make a difference) and a mate at work (11sec 350 chev auto) told me to stick with the auto. should of gone manual!

pete j

[kyro_02]

hmm i've been think'n ... will the EL XR6 box fit the ED with no modifications? like will the elec. loom plug from the xr box fit the ed... where the wires with the plug on the end fit the ed one ??

[kyro_02]

what work did you get done to your gearbox eb pete?

[EB Pete]

i have just got my btr rebuilt with the clearances reduced, valve body opened up, new bands, all the little plastic pieces of crap removed, a 2500rpm stall done, S5 au soliniod. theres more but i can't remember it all at the moment.

[brenx]

Originally Posted by MADNC_8

not really...try finding a 5 speed that'll handle 300rwkw.........for your 2k+

Spot on. It's $5k+! Auto is better if you drag race. Manual is better if circuit racing is done. Auto's in low power applications are slow. Manuals in high power applications are slow and break easily.

[EB Pete]

Originally Posted by MADNC_8

not really...try finding a 5 speed that'll handle 300rwkw.........for your 2k+

yeah but try find a N/A I6 that pushes out 300rwkw! if i went the turbo path i would definatly keep the auto but N/A it just isn't practical.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by MADNC_8

not really...try finding a 5 speed that'll handle 300rwkw.........for your 2k+

Good point.... but neither me, nor the original thread starter was talking 300+kw.

this i want to be a short to mid term 'project' .. as my auto has slipped a few times when i go to boot it..

The way i read it, he obviously wants a cheap option to strengthen his auto.
Having said that, i would rather spend $500-600 and get a 5sp

[kyro_02]

mate i'd probably consider a 5 speed but i only went for my auto license and hell if i'm gonna sit the comp test and then sit the practical test in a manual !!

so i've got 3 years... and anyways manual would get bordom after a while... so here's my chance to get a gear box to the specifications i want

besides, a strong autobox with shiftkit, stronger bands, 2500 histall.... mm and a spooled diff would be good.. especially in the wet :P

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

mate i'd probably consider a 5 speed but i only went for my auto license and hell if i'm gonna sit the comp test and then sit the practical test in a manual !!

so i've got 3 years... and anyways manual would get bordom after a while... so here's my chance to get a gear box to the specifications i want

Well there you go, you learn something new everyday!
I didn't know you had to go for a manual licence to drive a manual.
Is it the same in SA?

Oh well if you only have 3yrs to wait, the tricked auto will proberbly last long enough.

[kyro_02]

well if you go for a manual license in victoria ... you can drive both a manual and an auto car...

but... if you go for an auto license.. you can only drive an auto car, so if i was to get my manual license i would have to sit the test(s) again :(